tv FOX and Friends Sunday FOX News October 14, 2012 3:00am-7:00am PDT
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message they're selling? take a closer look. >> clayton: plus, this isn't something you see every day. police respond after more than 400 skate boarders take over hollywood boulevard. find out what they were protesting next. "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ >> good sunday morning, everybody, not so much for the new york yankees. we'll tell you why in just a bit. not just a loss on the field, alisyn, a loss of historic proportions for them in terms of the leader, the the heart and soul of that have franchise for the last decade. >> alisyn: i can't wait to here that wow. >> clayton: and meanwhile, we've been following of course the investigation or the lack of investigation into the benghazi attack in libya, the terrorist attack and of course, now an investigation launched and announced on
friday evening, and last night the mother of slain state department official sean smith on fox news channel speaking to judge janine pirro about this and the lack of information coming out of the administration. take a listen. >> did the president speak to you personally about what happened to your son? >> yes. >> alisyn: what did he says. >> he says, we will check it out and let you know and that's what hillary said and panetta and joe biden and susan rice and they all said the same thing, after that i heard nothing until i finally talked to the people in the mediaen and absolutely nothing. >> with a did leon-- what did the president say to you specifically and hillary clinton and leon panetta. did they say it was about a film? >> susan rice told he me specifically that it was a
film and that not any terrorist attack. >> that it was not a terrorist attack? >> exactly. she said that days afterwards, too. when i saw her on tv. they told he me it was -- in fact three or four days later, they were all, all of those big shots over there were saying that it was not a terrorist attack. >> did you ask --. >> it didn't gel right for me because of all the other things that i heard, so, and i can't tell you specifics, it's just that everything did not add up right. >> didn't add up right for her. if you think that you're frustrated trying to figure out what went on in benghazi, imagine a parent, the state official serving the country at least for ten years. that was her talking about ambassador susan rice and what she told her weeks ago. we know there was a changing narrative. she says something
interesting, she said she just talked to administration officials friday, so two days ago, and again they couldn't get the story straight. listen. >> i asked every one of them and leon, like i mentioned before, leon panetta took -- took his hands with my face and said trust me, i will tell you the truth. i will get the right information to you, just trust me. and when i heard that i knew i couldn't trust him and i don't trust any of them anymore. they lied. >> when you say that the white house finally contacted you a month later after you were contacted the media, did they give you any more answers about how your son, sean, died? >> yes, they did, they -- yesterday, two people from the fbi and one from the attorney's office, whatever office, u.s. attorney's office, called me on the
phone. they were all on the same line and they start today say, well, okay, what is it you want to know we'll tell you anything you want to know now, but half of what they said i didn't believe anyway because they were still saying it was not a terrorist thing. >> dave: what were they saying it was? to your point it's one thing to mislead the american public, something else maybe not to be forthright to the media, but to the families of those killed in benghazi, you would think that is a time above all else to come clean on this. we're 20 days out of the election, and we're trying to get basic questions answered including those people who love loved ones. we're not going to get one at least until the after the election if ever. >> clayton: and who knew what went, all of this fingerprinting, was this
information readily available. we keep hearing now, the white house, vice-president biden wasn't informed about security concerns and the president may have not been informed of the security concerns there. did someone in the state department know this, information did not reach hillary clinton, did someone in the cia know this, and may not reach channels. make baker. >> dave: and the state department dropped the ball. he spent 17 years there. you don't want to miss opinion. >> alisyn: back to ohio, the all important krcritical swing state, no president has lost. and in any event, that's where mitt romney and paul ryan are, preparing for the next debate for the policy and let's see
these two gentlemen hitting the campaign trial. >> i will not raise taxes on middle class americans and i will not raise taxes on small business. (cheer (cheers) >> if he were to get reelected there's no question he's going to fully installed obamacare. if i get elected president we're going to repeal obamacare and put put in reforms that help hold down the cost of health care. >> we can't keep accepting this as the new normal, 57% of americans living in poverty, that's not the new former, that's a problem that will be mixed when we elect him president november the 6th. >> clayton: and headed to the area, to shore up voters, blue collar towns. go to levin, ohio, red counties and 1.2 million in
high hog cuyahoga county. and look at the rasmussen poll. president obama with a one point lead and that's, i wasn't say a dramatic shift, but it was four or five a few weeks ago before the debate. >> dave: and look at the swing states. slight lead for obama in ohio and slight lead for romney in florida. and it's basically neck and neck adding to the importance of tuesday's town hall. >> alisyn: you talk a lot about ohio and why is it important? we have the specifics. it has picked every winning presidential candidate since 1964. the examples of that. somehow ohio has had a crystal ball and been a bellwether of who will ultimately go on to the white house. >> dave: and no republican, right, has won the white house without carrying ohio. >> clayton: in years. this is so important for mitt romney to win ohio because he would have to win every other
swing state in order to win the white house if he doesn't win ohio. >> dave: sweep, colorado, iowa, virginia. >> clayton: florida, pennsylvania. pick up all the other. the population in ohio 11.5 million weeks and median income $47,000 and again, the unemployment rate there a little lower than it has been for the national average. high school grads, 25 plus, 87% of the state's population there, 87.4%. >> and look at the people below the poverty line, 14% of the state is below the poverty line and then 24% has a bachelors degree or higher. it's obviously, a cross section of america. >> clayton: that's the best way-- when i lived in dayton, ohio people there locally in dayton say we call ourselves america's most avd where the tw highways intersect in dayton, ohio a lot of the chain restaurants, olive garden and
the sorts try out the restaurants in the major intersections, truck drivers park there, aen tried the joe crab shack there. if it works in that city, it works everywhere. >> alisyn: skyline chili is great, also. >> clayton: that's a cincinnati. >> alisyn: and tensionses are rising in the middle east. turk deployed defense systems on the border with syria hours after fighter gets were set to confront a syrian chopper here the border in response to turkey's shelling and this month killed five civilians. they said they would respond to any further attacks from the neighboring country. and the prime minister slammed the security counsel for the not doing enough to stop the civil war in syria. well, thousands of people celebrated the life of a little girl who was taken too soon.
last night people lit candles and said prayers in memories of jessica ridgewell, kidnapped and killed last week on her way to school. earlier in the day, hundreds of balloons all in jessica's favorite colors were released. >> we want to honor her the best we can. we love her. >> thank you. >> it's amazing 3, 2, 1... (cheers) >> and police are still searching for jessica's killer and they're asking the community to report anything suspicious. if you know anything. overnight a movie premier in west hollywood turns ugly. police were called to break up a crowd of more than hundreds of skate boarders waiting to see the film bake and destroy. things quickly got out of control when the skate boarders started throwing rocks and beer bottles at officers, no words of any injuries, those are your headlines, it sound so
harmless, it must mean cupcakes. >> i'm sure. >> clayton: let's check with rick with the weather. >> rick: one of those like cooking with julia, a cooking movie. >> clayton: and they are he' trying to bake all of the recipes of julia childs. >> rick: on skate boards. good one. and these are some big storms across the central plains, three tornados in texas, lots of reports of winds and hail. not as potent severe weather, but could see some lines of storms as they cut across the mississippi valley and parts of kentucky, tennessee and mississippi and alabama, a little later on. heaviest of the rain is going to pull across wisconsin and michigan. and some spots could see a couple of inches. the rest of the southwest looking good today, but this storm will be the first of the big storms that begins to move in tornados the pacific
northwest and that's dry there. the fires and get rid of the smoke and certainly help with fighting the fires across parts of the northwest. more coming up later. >> dave: coming up, vice-president joe biden taking heat for throwing the intelligence community under the bus. so what does the intel community have to say about this? we talk to a former cia officer coming up. >> alisyn: he's been there since the 1920's, who lost their lives since world war i and we'll tell you how this community is fighting back. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you turn an entrepreneur's dream... ♪ into a scooter that talks to the cloud? whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it.
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that's 888-allstate. >> vice-president biden still taking heat for his strong words towards u.s. intelligence and thursday night debate. and many are saying he threw the intel community under the bus. and while the administration reacts to the critics, how will the agencies react? joining us now former covert operations officer, global intelligence and security firm, mike baker, nice to see you. >> thank you very much. >> dave: if you can, take us to the few days before the attack in benghazi. what was happening leading up to this incident? >> well, for months leading up
to this incident, were other violent incidents. there was a whole pattern of problems here, and i think what keeps getting left on the sidelines as the white house is trying to spin this narrative and now, trying to shift blame is that they decided, after the dust settled on the revolution and gaddafi was gone, they put in an outpost, a war zone, and we know that al sharia, we know the islamic fighting groups were in the area. >> dave: it's common knowledge. >> it's common knowledge. the state department is charged with going in and providing risk assessments for all the facilities overseas and personnel the. and anywhere you have diplomatic personnel you go and assess. there was no way to misread this, it was a high threat of operating environment and required the highest level of security.
leading up to the september 11th anniversary, the attack no way you put an ambassador in benghazi. >> how that decision was allowed -- it was, he's going to go where he wants to go. no, your job in state department and security and everywhere, mr. ambassador, this is a bad idea. if he would have gotten behind that he wouldn't have shown up there. >> dave: so the cia, you were there for 17 years, is there any way in your opinion that the intelligence community was providing evidence or opinions that this was related to a video, protest, a spontaneous protest? >> no. >> dave: no? >> there is no chance that the vice-president, with all due respect, the vice-president's comments during the debate on thursday hold water. they are simply trying it walk back the talk from that. >> dave: that was the assessment. we said what the intelligence community provided us and hillary clinton doubled down on those words on friday. >> where is she going to go
with that? no other choice. the intel community, the cia, they're used to being kicked in the back side. they're a very convenient scapegoat. they're apolitical association and-- >> who dropped the ball? the. >> the white house and the state department. they were advised for months and months and months and leaving aside the fact they didn't do their job, in terms of security for those people deployed out in benghazi. they missed request after request to upgrade security there and we know what the result was. so, now the fact that they started out with an a narrative immediately after, from a political standpoint if af got an election coming up in two months, the narrative made sense. we had no way of knowing. no matter what type of security we had we wouldn't have been able to fend this off and now they winter to face the community. >> dave: final question
because you spent so long in that community and still are in intelligence, what does do to our intel community who risk their lives 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, what does it do to morale when you see your leaders, elected officials throwing you under the bus? >> this has been essentially the pattern for the past several years under this administration. there has been a lack and a shifting playing field. when you're in operations and charged with going out there and doing things to protect national security and the rules of the game change for political reasons back home, and you don't feel as if you've got top cover, you know, it's no mystery that morale can something significantly and that's the problem we've got now. >> dave: and mike bake e17 years with the cia. always great to hear your insight. great to have you. >> thank you. >> dave: a surprising drop in september's unemployment rate, does it really mean we're on the road to recovery. one former white house
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welcome to the show. >> glad to be here. >> clayton: you're talking about the real unemployment number which you say is around 14.7%, and we should throw those other numbers out completely? >> well, the 14.7% better reflects the reality. the double digit unemployment under obama has declined for basically two reasons, one is because 8.2 million americans are counted as having left the work force entirely and when you're not in the work force, even if you don't have a job and you want one, you're not counted as unemployed so they count 8.2 fleeing the work force under president obama. and 8.6 million are counted as involu involuntarily part-time. they want full-time jobs, but their jobs have been cut back involuntarily part-time. the u-6 unemployment rate reported by the bureau of labor statistics better takes
into account these two factors and some of the people who, under the regular unemployment rate, are not counted at all. they count about a third of those who fled the work force and they count all of those involuntarily unemployed and that number as reported by the bureau of labor statistics, and for the reason i described, that's a better reflection of the current reality. >> alisyn: now, peter, you know well how things work inside the beltway and including the bureau of labor statistics. why don't they talk about, if that's the real authentic number. if that's the number that captures the pain that americans are feeling by not being fully employed, why aren't we using that number instead of the much rosier 7.8 number? >> well, in your monthly report, they highlight what's called the u-3 unemployment rate and that's the 7.8% you've heard about. but that has the deficiencies, i mentioned, they don't count the people who are underemployed, forced into
part-time work and they don't count in that number the people who have left the work force altogether because they still don't have a job, still want one, but they're not counted as unemployed. so, they discuss that one more in their monthly report, but they do include in every monthly report what's called the u-6 unemployment rate, so it's up to the media to do interviews-- >> what it sounds like you're saying is that the u-3, the one that everybody hears about 7.8 isn't as relevant as u-6. >> clayton: it becomes a political football, both sides use that number that alisyn was just referring to. should they all abandon that number because they are he' getting revised a few months down the line and use that u-6 number altogether? >> well, the politicians use u-3, it's in the the headlines and the news reports. if they did more interviews like this and pointed out they have other measures of unemployment and broadest is 14.7% and that's not dropping at all. all that happened last year is that -- last month is that a
bunch of workers were counted as out of the labor force entirely, became counted a part-time workers. but under the u-6 rate, that's not a decline in the unemployment rate because they count all those people. they count all those people who are involuntarily part-time employment and they count some of the people who are out of the work force. now, if you go to what is called shadow statistics website they calculate the unemployment rate counting even the long-term discouraged workers. they count everybody who's left the work force and they have an unemployment rate of 22.8%, and so, somewhere between 14.7, which only counts a third of those who have fled the work force, to 22.8%, which counts more broadly everybody who's fled the work force, that's actually where the the reality is, somewhere between 14.7 and 22.8. but if they at least talk about the bureau of labor
statistics, it would be 14.7% and worse than that, and now, they seem to be going back into another recession and the policies are leading us in that way and if you already have unemployment of 14.7% and you go back into recession, well, you've got a depression scenario coming out of that. >> alisyn: and you see things in a much more grim way than the media did, peter thank you so much. >> clayton: one thing we can't argue about, and the saints numbers, thank you, peter. >> alisyn: round two, just two days away and tell you how president obama and governor romney are preparing for the next debate. >> clayton: and this is a memorial for those who bravely fought in world war i and now a group that wants it removed. ♪
>> first of all, i want to thank the senator for hosting us this evening. >> oh, boy, here we go. oh, man. >> four years ago president obama made a promise. (laughter) >> that he would bring down unemployment below 6%. >> oh, this guy. >> he says by the end of his first term he would cut the deficit in half. (laughter) >> and yet, he still has not put a single credible plan on the table how to deal with the debt crisis. >> martha with all due respect this is a bunch of mularkey. >> i don't know what i like more, the fact he's got a widow's peak or going off the deep end. >> alisyn: and thank you senator, here we go.
>> that was right for parody and pretty solid job from sudeikis. >> alisyn: he does romney and biden. >> clayton: and he had the voice of ryan down. >> dave: finally presidential comedy, we love it. >> clayton: first, the second presidential debate will have a different rook and style of the first round and the reports that the president will take the gloves off. and what can we expect to see the candidates face off tuesday at hofstra university. >> dave: and peter doocy is live in d.c. this morning with the details, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, david. the debate will have a moderator and the questions by the people, and no idea what they want to ask about, only the questions about foreign and domestic issues and the candidates will have two minutes to respond with one minute blocked for the moderator in between to
facilitate the discussion. as things stand right now more voters have a favorable opinion of mitt romney than president obama, but only by a hair. and in a poll that was taken after the debate, a fox news poll. mitt romney had 52% favorability rating. one point higher than the president's 51%, but 4 points higher than before the debate in denver whereas the president's number didn't budge before and after. in the second round of debating could maybe the numbers flip again since this format leaves both candidates a lot of room to be, remember, not only for what they say, but what they do or where they stand. when vice-president al gore stood too close to then governor george w. bush and looked awkward. >> and, president obama is a few points ahead in a few critical swing states. so, a strong debate at hofstra
university out on long island is important for both men, back to you. >> alisyn: it should be really interesting, thanks for the preview, important policy will be interesting to hear them talk about that, including one of the questions that they said was going to be what is the u.s.'s role in the world? >> that's in the third and final debate. >> alisyn: that is? i thought the end of this debate. >> clayton: no, but as peter said, they're going to be asking foreign and domestic questions, interesting to see. >> dave: with economic. >> clayton: i'm interesting to see how the town hall style comes outment couldn't be as combative in a town hall. >> alisyn: you have to be friendly to the audience, people asking the questions. >> clayton: yes. >> alisyn: let's move onto the the rest of your headlines. police making the arrest in the death after missing university new hampshire student. now charged with second degree murder. last night, hundreds attended a candlelight vigil to remember lucy marriott,
19-year-old who vanished tuesday night from campus. >> just a fun, free spirit, she's always happy, always in a great mood and we'll miss her. >> together we created an angel and she's home in heaven. >> alisyn: police say they will continue to search for her body. and the deadly meningitis outbreak climbing another life and 15 people have died in indiana yesterday. at least now, 197 cases in 13 different states, as many as 14,000 people may have been exposed to the tainting shots linked to the outbreak. as the number of cases grow, investigators are trying to figure out how the shots became contaminated and whether the companies that made the shot violated any laws well, more than a hundred people hit the streets in maryland, to save a world war i memorial under attack by an atheist group. >> don't let them take down
the cross!. >> alisyn: the memorial was billed in 1920's and honored local men who died during world war i. an atheist group wants to get the cross removed claiming it's not universal. and now trying to get control of the memorial so the cross cannot be removed. and talk about this? >> i'm excited about this guy. we're awaiting the historic jump from 23 miles in the sky. former australian paratrooper felix baumgartner hopes to break the sound barrier. he's hosted up in a capsule by a giant helium balloon and jump through the earth's strats strat spear. he's been base jumping off a
building and another day at the office. and avoiding traffic. >> alisyn: i understand that. and rick reichmuth does the same thing. has he given enough thought to this? >> the stratssphere no oxygen. >> dave: a dramatic game in new york city, extra innings, the yankees on rollercoaster ride of emotions. first they left the bases loaded three times against the tigers, scoring -- without scoring a single run. bottom of nine, 4-zip tigers, game over, right? wrong, ibanez, former philly doing it again, he's 40 and now the third player in the history of the game, a game tying home run in the 9th inning, and ichiro a hand and, they rerace add 4-0 lead to tie it at four. the low point for the yankees
later in the game. delmon young, to right field, nick swisher, good guy, bad play. that brings home cabrera, 5-4 and tigers make it 6-4, the moment yankee fans will not soon forget later in that inning. derek jeter diving on a pretty typical jeter-like play, a great grab, but you can see him scream in pain as he lays there on the ground, right there. jeter is lost for the post season and broken left ankle. three months to heal. and we all know that nfl replacement refs blew a paul that cost the green bay packers a win. could we have a similar controversy in college football? notre dame-stanford was a classic. you decide. in ot we go, notre dame in the red zone, incredible catch by
tj jones, not a great throw, but goes behind them to make a brilliant grab. the controversy, stanford are in the red zone, trying to tie the game up. 4th and 1, calor stuffed by the fighting irish, the game is over? take another look. running back twists and turns and never stopped the drive and some felt he reached the ball over the goal line. refs say no, not a touchdown, he was stopped by the irish, incredible work defensively. 20-13 the final. notre dame 6-0, keeping alive some hopes for national championship. the gold domers are back, baby. >> clayton: because rudy was here. >> dave: a good mo-jo. >> clayton: karma. >> alisyn: and out to rick reichmuth now. >> rick: because ali knows who he is. >> alisyn: now i do. >> rick: all right, guys, let's take a look at the weather picture. we have some severe weather.
yesterday we had severe weather and more for today. right there just around the mississippi river over towards the ohio river and tennessee valley area and already seeing the line of storms move through and as the day heats up towards the east, we're seeing the storms fire. and some of the storms within that line could be severe and we can't rule out a tornado later in the day around. the forecast around the rest of the country. into the northeast, a big warm-up from yesterday. yesterday was a chilly day. today we'll be around 15 degrees warmer for almost everyone, but there is some rain across parts of new england and upstate new york and that mid atlantic area, really quite a nice day, down to the southeast, well, starting to get a little more humid and the front moves farner off to the east and that's where we're going to see the storms fire, back towards west texas and finally you're in the clear. back to you inside. >> thank you, sir. a teenage girl in pakistan shot on her way to school by members of the taliban, because she spoke out about the terror group on a blog
that she was writing. there's more on the story, it was terrifying and heart breaking. >> dave: a question many still want the answers to, does heaven really exist? one boy claims he went to heaven and back as a child. we'll meet him next. wow. then get the how. our new fall style guide ipad app is here. browse pages of inspiration, trends, and swipe-by-swipe instructions. download it now. more saving, more doing. that's the power of the home depot.
>> a teenage activist, shot in the head for speaking out against islamic extremists and for promoting education for girls. she's been a target for the taliban because of outspoken views against the group. joining us is the attorney and director of the law fair project, brook goldstein, good morning to you, brook. >> good morning. >> dave: a horrific story. unfortunately, this is what focuses some attention worldwide on what these terror groups are doing, i mean, to children. what needs to be done? >> well, first of all, the issue of the deliberate
targeting of innocent muslim children by slammist terrorist groups has gone way underreported and that it takes a shooting of a 14-year-old girl to focus world attention on this. >> alisyn: let's talk about the 14-year-old girl. she's extraordinary. she had been a vocal advocate for girls education in a place in the valley in pakistan where that is not necessarily a popular view, certainly by this taliban and she even started a blog. i mean, tell us why is she's such a great symbol? >> well, she's done something remarkable. she's managed to bring together the pakistani community which are basically united over this issue, that children deserve the right to an education. and you know, this is well established in conventional law. and they all say that every child deserves the right to life, deserves the right to an
education and unfortunately, the taliban understand how strong of a message this little girl had and that's why they targeted her. >> alisyn: we should also mention that the good news is that she's doing a little bit better today. she is expected to survive and the bad news that the taliban threatened to kill her still. thank you for bringing that to our attention. >> we appreciate it. >> dave: coming up on the show, he says he went to heaven and back during a life saving surgery he had during a child. a divining experience is up next. biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred.
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a life-saving surgery. he and his father wrote the best selling book called "heaven is for real" and now a new book "heaven changes everything". they're both our guests. good morning, guys. >> a pleasure. >> alisyn: and colton, the new book "heaven changes everything." what's in it and why you want today write is this? >> it's pretty much a daily reader we put together with experiences we've had today since the book went out and experiences on the road sharing their story, but also, we put it out on the -- we put it out in the open so that we could help other people with their daily problems. >> alisyn: that's really nice and because i know that in your life, heaven has changed everything, and todd, you're a pastor and i know you've long believed in the power of heaven and the after life.
how does it completely change things to may be skeptics. >> i think we need hope, and confidence is a huge things. we need healing, we deal with issues. and coltton talked about meeting his unborn sister in heaven. we went through a miscarriage and knowing that our daughter is heaven, a healing that doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists can't give to you, but heaven can. >> alisyn: when were you just four years old, your appendix burst and you had to go in surgery and in that surgery, unbeknownst to your parents it was more touch and go than you knew. you believe that you went to heaven and in fact, you came back with stories that you couldn't otherwise have known. you met some relatives there. tell bus that. >> well, the relatives i met in heaven was my great beganed father pop and my unborn
sister, which was miscarriage before she was even born. >> alisyn: and so, after a four-year-old comes back from surgery and starts talking about these things, did that confirm for you? did you ever have any doubts about heaven? >> well, i didn't have doubts about heaven's existence, but a lot of questions, what is heaven like? i think for a pastor to come up to you and say they've got it figured out, they're not honest. the bible has many verses, but not a complete picture, but for him to fill in the blanks and helped me tremendously and helped other people. >> alisyn: it must be. as i last met you guys and interviewed you two years ago on this very couch and since then your book has spent 44 weeks on the new york times best seller list so clearly it's resonating with people. how do you think it helps people, colton? >> well, people they want heaven, they want to know there's something half life so that they can look forward to
something after they die. and heaven is everything that you need. it's fun to be there, you're going to be with relatives and you know everything that's happening down here on earth. >> alisyn: and it's particularly nice for people in crisis, that there's something bigger. >> well, you know, if someone has a fix on what i'm going through, is there hope on the other end. the pain here, is it going to get better and reality, and heaven changes everything. especially for ladies, sonya writes about a third of the book and connects with a loss of a child with ladies and they need that. the first book. the second book they didn't get to hear from mom and this one they did. >> alisyn: it's so important, what a great message, todd and colton, the new book, "heaven changes everything", thanks for sharing. >> thank you. >> clayton: coming up, the mother of one of those killed
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benghazi investigation. >> dave: and they're here legally so what should we do? one mayor says give them a valid photo i.d. and a debit card. wait till you hear about this one. >> clayton: plus more hot air for green energy, a wind turbine company laying off 800 workers even though they got 15 million dollars in stimulus cash. "fox & friends" hour two starts right now. ♪ welcome back to "fox & friends" on this sunday morning, thank you for waking up to us, we appreciate it. >> alisyn: a pleasure having you. owe, obviously, benghazi is still in the top of the news, now onnot only the house oversight committee and you heard that with the two whistleblowers, senator joe lieberman wants an investigation at the senate level, what went happened,
what went wrong in benghazi. and we feel about americans being frustrated. imagine if you were the mother of one of the people who was killed. >> dave: yeah, it's one thing to mislead the public or the media, but the families now of those killed in benghazi, now beginning to speak out. judge jeanine pirro sat down with pat smith, who lost her son, former air force cadets, last down with her last night about the misinformation that's being fed to her since the very beginning of this process. here is what she told the judge. >> there's a-- did the president speak to you personally about what happened to your son? >> yes. >> what did he say? >> he says, we will check it out and let you know. and that's what hillary said and panetta and joe biden and susan rice and they all said the same thing, and after that, he heard nothing until i finally talked to the people
in the media, absolutely nothing. >> what did lee on-- what did the president saying specifically to you, and hillary clinton and leon panetta? did they say it was specifically a film? >> susan rice told me specifically it was a film and it was not a terrorist attack. >> that it was not a terrorist attack? >> exactly. she said that days afterwards, too, when i saw her on tv. they told me, in fact three or four days later. they were all, all of those big shots over there were saying that it was not a terrorist attack. >> did you ask-- >> it didn't -- it didn't gel right for me because of all the other things that i heard, so -- and i can't tell you specifics, it's just that everything did not add up right. >> alisyn: it didn't add up right for her and for so many americans. now she says they told her it was a terrorist attack in the
days right afterwards, there was a muddled message and a confusing narrative. what she says next is also interesting, even now she spoke to them on friday and heard her say that administration officials didn't back in touch with her until she went to the media. and who knows if that's connected. she spoke to them on friday and once again, she heard a very confusing message with not a lot of answers, let's listen. >> i asked every one of them and leon -- like i mentioned before, leon panetta, took his hands with my face and said, trust me, i will tell you the truth. i will get the right information to you. just trust me. and when i heard that, i knew i couldn't trust him. and i don't trust any of them anymore. they lied. >> when you say that the white house finally contacted you a month later after you were contacted the media, did they give you any more answers about how your son, sean, died? >> yes, they did.
yesterday, the two people from the fbi and one from the attorney's office, whatever office, u.s. attorney's office called me on the phone. they were all on the same line and they start today say, well, okay, what is it you want to know we'll tell you anything you want to know now. but half of what they said i didn't believe anyway, because they were still saying that it was not a terrorist thing. >> dave: we spoke with mike baker, a former cia covert ears and he says this is just a blatant coverup. the state department clearly dropped the ball. he says there was intel in the months, weeks and days leading up, that the situation in benghazi was, in his words, a war zone and in the aftermath of this, the intelligence was right on from the very beginning. he's not mincing any words here, this is a blatant coverup by the administration, the state department is clearly the ones who dropped
the ball from the beginning, and continues to muddle mess. >> alisyn: and it's continues to be a muddled mess and why a coverup? why not provide enough security. >> clayton: is it the intelligence community? is the intelligence community being thrown under the bus, the state department thrown under the bus. did the state department not handle this sort of information? is it bureaucratic garbage as typical. when someone asks for increased security at the state department does it ever rise to the level of hillary clinton having to sign off on it. is it protocol, bureaucratic protocol handled by a low level state department official, no, we don't need security, yes, we do? it reiterates more oversight reaching the highest level. >> dave: and mike added, there's no chance that anyone should have been in benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11,
and that was a no-brainer, that was a war zone on that date. >> alisyn: and we'll continue to bring you more questions and hopely did. >> dave: answers. >> alisyn: and through the show. a fox news alert. we've learned that a terminal in anchorage has been cleared because after bomb threat after a male passenger made a reference to a bomb in a bag that had been checked into luggage and travelers evacuated to another terminal while police search the luggage. the man made the comment and two others are interviewed by authorities. we'll keep you posted. tensions arrive on the middle east as turkey deployed tanks and missile defense systems to its border with syria. reports say this was hours after fighter jets were sent to confront a syrian chopper near the border. the thanks after the selling of a turkish town earlier this month that killed five civilians. the turkish government says
they will respond to further attacks from their neighboring country and comes as turkey's prime minister slams the u.n. security council for not doing enough to stop the civil war in syria. a happy homecoming in fort benning, and 150 soldiers return from afghanistan. ♪ 648 maneuver enhancement brigade got back from a nine month deployment in kabul, they were responsible for security at camp phoenix and other bases. and the soldiers say there were times with threats under insider attack and the unit is happy to say every single member returned home safely. beautiful. those are your headlines. >> dave: our chief meteorologist rick reichmuth checking the weather and snow out there on saturday in parts of the west. >> yes, the same storm that's brought the severe weather across the plains today. across parts of the ohio valley and tennessee valley ab across some the higher
elevations and we'll share some pictures with you as well. 64 as you're waking up in chicago and jet ready because the rain is on the way and in fact, we're seeing some of the rain and it's kind after warming rainy morning. the southeast looks good and dry right now. it won't be for long, the line of storms will pull through and bring some severe weather, maybe a tornado today across areas of western kentucky, western tennessee, parts of northern mississippi that kind of seems to be where we see this before we see any tornados. definitely strong winds as the line of storms move through. out to the west looking really, really good across the west. and the storm into the pacific northwest, a lot of rain, three to four inches, more than they've seen in a number of months across the pacific northwest, it's very welcomed news to get back into the rain. at least we need it and of course, headed to the rainy season and probably it the next seven or eight months. your temperatures today.
warm across the south and everyone else not looking that bad, but for october, could see warmer air, but back to 81 in rapid city and denver. >> clayton: thank you, back to the west coast, and los angeles. because the mayor out there during a recent debate over identification cards has decided that they want to give i.d. cards to anyone regardless of their immigration status and something that's been done in san francisco and oakland, california. what will it look like, their hair color, their eye color, their street dress to show that they have a physical address of where they live. they wouldn't have to say whether they were in here legally or illegally and has a lot of critics upset about that. >> alisyn: and they can also be used as atm cards and used as atm cards and what the mayor believes and why he's justified doing this, regardless of legal or permanent status because he says it will cut down on
crimes. the fewer immigrants, legal or otherwise, won't carry cash. and illegal immigrants as well as immigrants who are new to the country do carry around a lot of cash and haven't sorted out the banking system and he believes it will cut down on crime. >> dave: what about the immigration status. they would get them regardless of the status. i hope it would identify them as illegal-- >> it won't jo the point is to identify who is here-- >> it amendment to do with immigration. >> dave: shouldn't it? >> there's an other other issue, it says it gives them access to health services beau they can't open a bank account, they can't open a bank account and they have to carry cash and the mayor's office says it would affect poor individuals who live in los angeles and elderly who don't have a driver's license and they would recognize them as angelino's and library
books for the first time. and critics say illegal immigrants could go and get an i.d. card and then they would be somehow validated by having i.d. card. >> dave: and welcomed in the community and put it into the context, the same party who is pushing back against voter i.d. laws in states across the country. so he we want to you come out and get an i.d., but at the same time we're making our chief argument that it's too difficult to get an i.d. to vote. but, here is the-- how do you make those of those arguments. >> clayton: i'm curious because california's economy, let's be honest, relies heavily on immigrant population for farm communities there, absolutely. >> dave: sure. >> clayton: and businesses they admitted would be crushed as a result of it. i'm curious how many illegal immigrants would come forward and risk deportation by going down to some government office to get one of these i.d.'s you hear about. >> dave: and sanctuary. >> clayton: san francisco and-- >> they're modeling it on oakland and san francisco and they would use the same model. so there are sting operations
as you know, you promise you're going to cash in and your lottery is finally going to come in and then they're arrested, but in this case i believe they would trust the mayor particularly since he says he's following the model of the sanctuary city. we'd love to hear from you, you can find it all on twitter. >> clayton: we have a brand new facebook page. we are on facebook, fox and friends. >> alisyn: it's fantastic. you can see clayton mowing his lawn. >> clayton: absolutely, and pictures of ali candidly. >> alisyn: are you? jo stay tuned for that. and also, stay tuned because the vice-president's throwing the intelligence community under the bus, some say, but should the white house be pointing fingers within its own administration on the hipocracy from steven hayes of the weekly standard next. >> alisyn: plus, you think you know the real sarah palin? forget everything you've heard because her dad and her brother are here to set the
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>> well, we certainly now know there was a lack of security at the u.s. consulate at benghazi, when four americans were killed, but who is to blame for that. >> matters of security personnel are appropriately discussed and decided upon at the state department by those responsible for it. >> dave: should the white house be pointing fingers within its own administration? >> joining us now is a senior writer for the weekly standard, who had an interesting piece basically having it both ways on getting praise and recommendations from the intelligence community. nice to see you this morning. >> good morning, guys. >> clayton: as vice-president dick cheney had articulated the other day, on one hand you have the administration laying claim to killing osama bin laden and not giving tons of credit to the intelligence committee on the other hand, basically laying blame for what happened in benghazi.
>> there's a give and take, any administration is going to take as much credit as they can, deflect as much blame as they can, but it strikes me he as a little convenient for the obama administration to say that the intelligence that they were getting from the intelligence community for weeks was incorrect. when i don't think that's the case by all indications. >> dave: yeah, mike baker, a former cia agent was here this morning, he says for weeks, for months they provided intel that benghazi was, in his words, a war seen and he had visited that very conflict. the point you made after the debate i thought was perhaps more important, what joe biden said when he blamed the lack of intelligence on the situation, but then talked about iran, saying we've got it all under control because of our intelligence. talk about the hipocracy you feel there exists within that argument? >> basically you had biden on the one hand in the context of libya saying look, we got bad information from the intelligence community they thought it was a spontaneous
attack, protest outside the embassy, saying things we know turned out not to be true. in the very next question in the context of iran, vice-president biden told everybody to settle down because the intelligence community knows so much about iran, all seeing and all knowing and would be able to tell us if iran actually made the last sort of breakout race for a nuclear bomb. you can't have is both ways. it's not that the intelligence communities are bumbling idiots on the one hand and on the next, know everything that would prevent an iranian nuclear program. >> clayton: the contention that mike baker, there was a coverup. why would this information come out if there wasn't a coverup. do you see it differently. >> certainly the administration has not been levelling with the american people and i don't think they've been levelling with the american people from the beginning. if you look at the story that susan rice was selling on september 16th, it was wrong
in virtually all of its particulars. almost nothing she claims then now we know to be true and look at comments of stephanie cutter, the top spokesman for his campaign and vice-president biden at the of debate, they told it took weeks for the intelligence community to provide the administration with the right information which the administration could then use to tell the american people. i do not think it took weeks for the intelligence community to figure that out and we have evidence that many in the intelligence community new much earlier that this was not a protest about a movie, that it wasn't spontaneous, that it was planned and conducted by terrorists because we were seeing that in newspapers and magazines and tv all over the place and i was having conversation was some of those intelligence officials. >> dave: why steve? why not come clean? is it part after larger narrative? >> i think two reasons, one, the obama administration's, you know, basic narrative to
reelect was the general motors, osama bin laden is dead and the secondary argument to the bin laden argument, al-qaeda is dead and see the president even after the benghazi attack say that they're on its heels. we've been more effective than the bush administration was, we're stronger, we're tougher. so, to have this kind of attack take place just six weeks before the election is problematic for at that argument, but secondly, we have to remember they've done this before. both after the christmas day bombing, airliner bombing attempt and after the times square bombing attempt. the administration came out and said things flat out not true, that the airliner was one thing, and we knew soon after those weren't true, but what happened, coming out and giving misleading information initially, they pushed the story off.
by the time people got the truth it didn't have the scrutiny. >> clayton: traund by awlaki. thanks for joining us. >> thanks. >> dave: need the coffee, packers play a late game. forget what you've heard about her, we'll hear about the real sarah palin, mom-- rather, her dad and brother next. ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ male announcer ] now you'll know when to stop. honk! ] the all-new nissan altima with easy fill tire alert. [ honk! ] it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪
>> she gained national attention as the vp nominee in 2008 and paper an inspiration to the tea party. sarah palin made her mark on america's political landscape, but it's not always been easy for her. she faced criticism along the way and that's one of the reasons her dad and her brother wrote this new book called "our sarah, made in
alaska", chuck heaton center and chuck heath, jr. join us. good morning. >> good morning, alisyn, good to be here. >> you betcha. >> alisyn: tell us why you guys wanted to write this book? >> well, we wanted a set a lot of records straight. there's been a lot of hanky-panky written about sarah, dozens and dozens of books have been written about sarah and most only about three or four have been totally factual. and this book will set the record straight. we have an incorporated 46 of her classmates, pastors, coaches. they tell the real story of sarah. >> alisyn: and chuck, let's talk about that hanky-panky as your dad just called it. what do you think is most misunderstood about your sister? >> well, there's been so much garbage written about her that
people have started to confuse the caricatures, like the tina fey portrayal with who sarah is. she is down to eat and hardest working person i've known. she's had an incredible sense of right and wrong and she's had the guts to stand up and say something about it when she sees something out of line. i have no idea how it got twisted so out of whack, but that's why i was so adamandaman and i went to dad, let's do something and put the truth throughout once and for all. >> alisyn: we certainly understand that. that's coming across loud and clear how frustrated you both must have been when there were these erroneous depictions of her. mr. heath, how did you feel about the "saturday night live" skit depicting her daughter. >> well, i thought tina fey did a good job, but didn't agree with everything she said
about seeing russia from her house. you can see russia from several places in alaska, but sarah never said that. that's all tina fey. >> alisyn: and of course, that was the light hearted part, chuck. i mean, that was a humorous depiction, but there were other depictions that were not in that same humor vein. what most frustrated you? >> well, you know, she's of course my little sister and i want to stand up and protect her, although she's probably tougher than i am, but there were so many instances where they tried to make her into the hater, that she hates gays, that she hates this and that. it's so far from who she really is. anybody that ever sits down in a room with her one-on-one, you spend two minutes with her and see how down to earth she is. and they, like i said, they made her into this caricature that is completely not had
your. >> alisyn: mr. heath, share with us-- go ahead. >> look what david letterman did to her and bill maher, things like that. those things really get under my skin. it's not the character assassination on sarah that gets to me it's when they attack the kids, when our low he c low-- local newspaper questioned whether trig was sarah's child and that's what gets me when think attack the grandkids. >> alisyn: of course, we can only imagine what it was like for to you live through some of those character assassinations on your grandchildren. so, let's talk about the positive stuff, chuck. why don't you share with us, your favorite story in the book. >> we've got a lot of favorite stories. and a lot of it, adventure stories, life and death stories, avalanches, bears, gold mine hunting stories, and
tons of our favorite kind of things, so, it hasn't been all bad. and i hope that these stories show, you know, sarah lived through a lot of the stories and all of the stuff helped form her character and make her as strong as she is today. and putting all of that together, i think, we've come up with something that will give everybody a real accurate and new view of where sarah comes from. >> and on her work ethics a lot. for example, when we commercial fished together, sarah and myself, we read one time three days and two nights without any sleep, no sleep at all. she fished a day and a half with three broken fingers. her work ethics today, she puts in 18 to 20 hours a day, she started this when she was a kid and especially in athletics and she worked and worked and worked. i know of no one that has better work ethics than sarah.
>> alisyn: man, you guys are tough up in alaska, we knew how hard commercial fishing is and going through days without sleep, i know that's par for the course for you guys, that's tough stuff. as you were speaking, both of you, we were looking at pictures from when you, chuck, and sarah were little. what was childhood like, chuck? >> it was pretty, pretty unique. a lot different than any of the friends that i ended up making down in the states. you know, we used to sit around after school and once in a while we didn't get to watch tv much, but i remember the old brady bunch reruns would be on and sarah, heather, molly and i, would sit there with our hands on our chins and just in awe of these people, thinking, wow, do people really live like that. we were out, literally hunting and fishing in the woods and trying to put food on the table as young as i can remember and sarah was right there with the rest of us, it was just a, you know, chop wood to stay warm, hunt food
to eat. that was our life style. >> alisyn: well, you guys were sure cute. you look kind of like the wilderness brady bunch there in your little kid pictures, but it's great to have you share all of your personal stories and let us in on what this whole experience has been like for you both. as you've watched her ascent. chuck heath, sr. and chuck heath, jr. and the book is our sarah, made in alaska, thanks so much for your time this morning. >> good enough, ali. coming up next, a law professor did not get the job because she wasn't liberal enough. we'll talk about the case that's getting ready to hit the courtroom. and green energy, a wind turbine company laying off 800 workers even though they got 50 million dollars in stimulus cash: ♪ [ music playing, children laughing ]
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>> welcome back to "fox & friends" on this sunday morning. you know, yesterday we showed you the bird hitting the wind turbine. . >> that's what you took away? >> the bird hit the wind turbine because of the green ener energy, companies receiving stimulus. it turns out a danish company got 51 million in stimulus from us, and laying off a boat load in america and should be able to hire more people, no, massive layoffs. >> dave: they did get not only tax, but the danish are north american jobs, 800 jobs will be lost in the united states and canada.
some say if it doesn't improve, it could be 1600 jobs lost in the u.s. and canada, and again, what happened with the stimulus money, are these green energy projects valid or should this come down to venture capital. why are we providing cash. >> since solyndra lost half a billion dollars in bankruptcy and looking more closely at this, is now the time, given that we're doing belt tightening and have such a problem with deficit and debt to invest in these. i feel like these came up during the debate and the fact checkers made a point, you only hear about the failures and don't necessarily hear about the ones going forward. and this company had to layoff or plans to layoff 800 workers because they were counting on a tax break that will expire the end of this year and people aren't buying this
product anymore if they're not going to get a tax break for it. >> clayton: they get incentives to get a hybrid car and mitt romney made a point during the the debate, a friend pick winners and losers in this thing, but you tend to pick losers, referring to the failed companies and stimulus, his line during the debate, you recall. >> alisyn: good line. and. >> clayton: a zinger. >> alisyn: what else is happening. aspiring actor and martial arts expert has been charged with the killing of missing new hampshire student, and he's expected to appear in court tomorrow morning. last night, hundreds of friends and family attended a candlelight vigil to remember the 19-year-old who vanished tuesday night on campus. >> just a fun, free spirit. that's the only way -- she's always happy, always in a great mood, you know, and we'll miss her. >> together we created an angel and she's home in heaven.
>> alisyn: police say they have gathered enough credible information to believe that marriott is now dead, even though they have not yet located her body. some new am shire video out of syria shows that violence has not showed down. . [gunshots] >> this amateur video was reportedly taken yesterday. and you're looking at what seeions say is the remains after fighter jet they shot down and they say a military defector in the area, and the video as they examine the wreckage. a woman says she was passed over two jobs because she's a conservative. zoos' suing the university of iowa law school after losing out on two teaching positions because she opposes gay rights, abortion-- and the school says she wasn't
hired because she failed a question during the interview. >> let's check with rick reichmuth yesterday-- yesterday? let's go back in time. >> dave: wow. >> clayton: gets in your delorean back in time and go to rick reichmuth. referring to yesterday, you talked about the frost coming and dave had to get out the scraper today. is that going to continue? >> no, not right now. kind of warm for a lot of people. and a big storm happening, but no real cold air behind it at least right now. take a look at where there was cold air and dave, you were talking about snow across the some of the mountains, and move forward on this map here, and for me one time there. and take a look at flagstaff arizona, and this is where you get some snow already. fall and winter combined into one beautiful shot, and it's 33 degrees right now. and out west, up to 65 today. and that's kind of the see saw across the west at higher elevations and keep sending me your pictures, they have been amazing and rick reichmuth on twitter and at the facebook
page. take a look at the forecast across the northeast, an absolutely much nicer day temp-wise yesterday. it was a cool day in the 40's and 50's and today in the 70's and 60's, so, a nice warm-up tomorrow. the rain moves in. down to the southeast, we're still nice across, at least the coastal areas of the carolinas, and southeast florida, some of that flow and rain showers, but some heavier storms moving across the mississippi valley into the tennessee valley and some could be severe, nice across the high plains and headed over to wisconsin and michigan, where the heaviest of the rain will be today. some areas might see about two inches of that rain and across the west, most of the southwest looking spectacular once again, and finally a big system moves into the pacific northwest bringing pretty heavy rain, all right, guys, back to you inside. >> thank you, mr. reichmuth, coming up on the show, this, a sharp increase on green on blue attacks and raising new concerns in afghanistan. n.a.t.o. forces moving to
ensure that afghans ready to take over security in the country when the time comes. war correspondent oliver north is with us now from afghanistan. oliver? >> dave, clayton, alisyn, good morning from afghanistan. n.a.t.o. commanders here say recent green on blue attacks have failed to drive a wedge between u.s. and afghan troops. so before coming here to helmand province we went to the special police training center to see for ourselves. these are afghan special police at the n.a.t.o. training center. and hand picked police officers sent for advanced training for skills necessary to protect the afghan people from the taliban. the training here is conducted by n.a.t.o. special operators, and experienced american war
officers. this year, 600 graduates will return to their units proficient in hand-to-hand combat, and qualifications on every weapon in their arsenal, patrolling, live fire battle, what one called fish. >> and fighting in someone's house. and afghan forces around the country are of confident and capable of standing on their own. from the special police training center in afghanistan, i'm oliver north for fox snus thank you for that. >> they seem to have it down pat. >> these are from your own-- >> more, more people signed up for medicare advance after the
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>> welcome back. they serve and protect our freedom. and how many of the military may not have the votes counted and it could be a game changer. more than 3100 active and reserve troops, mitt romney has a whopping 40 point lead over president obama there. look at that, 66-26. so why could some military votes not even be counted this november? here is discuss is the columnist for the national review. nice to see you. >> a pleasure. >> clayton: and we talked and she said the delays and not sending out ballots late and they have the mandate to get this done and haven't been doing this. why is this happening?
>> there are problems on two levels. states are supposed to get absentee ballots to the military personnel 45 days before the election. they're not doing that and each individual state has its own excuse or problem. then there's a second problem, the pentagon was mandated by congress over three years ago to set up offices in every military base overseas that would specifically be in charge of making sure the ballots were sent out and people had time to fill them out. >> clayton: that sound like a great move. what's wrong with that? >> well, it's over three years and less than half of our military bases have those offices established. the priority is here skewed. our justice department is fighting voter i.d. laws. and south carolina was upheld in court and apparently not spending the money as they were supposed to, according to congress, setting up offices overseas for our military to vote. >> clayton: it makes you wonder. is it a happy coincidence, or
when you have a poll in favor of mitt romney, is politics at play here? >> look, i would say it's the wrong set of priorities. if any voters should be given special consideration for getting their votes in, it should be the people protecting our freedom. instead we're not providing the infrastructure. only 32% of battles in 2008 came back and the obama campaign separate from the pentagon is suing ohio against their law giving the military three extra days to vote just before election day. and 15 military groups including the veterans of foreign wars, the american legion, are appalled. and laws that say military gets special consideration. apparently they don't: we're asking thm to fight overseas and risk their lives, but not giving them special consideration to vote. >> clayton: and you think they get this problem solved and fixed before then. i hope so,
some states are moving to take care of the bureaucratic bungling, but the polling offices they can't open in that lment even though congressman dated it. thank you so much. joe biden kept butting in during paul ryan's time to speak at the debate. what does it say about his personality? dr. keith ablow here to break down whether he's an interrupter. was the vice-president's performance a sneak peek of what the president has in store for mitt romney in round two this week? will the gloves come off? we'll ask chris wallace about that coming up. ♪ it's swanson flavor boost. concentrated broth to add delicious flavor to your skillet dish in just one stir. mmm! [ female announcer ] cook, meet compliments. get recipes at flavorboost.com.
>> last week, vice-presidential debate, well, it had its share of interruptions. >> did it? >> we're saying, these are from your own-- >> and more people signed up for medicare advantage. >> mr. vice-president, i know-- >> no. >> mr. vice-president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up lost ground. (laughter) >> i think people will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> don't take all of the four minutes. >> and paul ryan, and what about the constant cutting off. >> alisyn: wait a second. >> dave: what does constant cutting off. >> clayton: both of you stop it. >> dave: says about their personality, says they're rude. >> clayton: joining us now on the curvy couch is the medical a-team's dr. keith ablow. >> dave: you didn't interrupt him. >> alisyn: and i thought joe biden-- >> if you're watching that,
not a patient of yours, but you're watching it on camera and as a doctor, what does that say about his personality? >> so, let's start with the part that you might have called someone else in for. first, he could be completely doing this for stage presence, to show the other man, inexperienced not worthy of his time, to own the conversation. >> to own it and ridicule the other man, diminish him, but here is the other reality. joe biden has shown tremendous disregard of perspectives of others, such isn't it worse for instance to say you have three undergraduate degrees when you have one, which he's done. saying you graduated at the top of the law school class, when you graduated at the bottom. don't interrupt me with the facts. that's the same kind of rap. what do i need to say, and say it fast to own the minds of people listening, he has no record for letting them process, that's one part of this. there's more and this is the part i'll hear about, right?
i did not evaluate joe biden, but if someone said to me listen we want you to do what's really required to know what happened there, you have to put dementia on the differential diagnosis. you have to say bizarre laughter, interrupting, if this were your dad or your grandfather, wouldn't you say, you brought him to me, keith, you've got to tell me is he suffering with dementia, he can't seem to listen and laughing inappropriate. >> alisyn: here is how that doesn't ring true to me. people with dementia, he was rattling off. >> dave: the substance was solid. >> alisyn: it was faster and it wasn't all accurate, but he had a command of his conversation. >> see, that's the way he sees the issues. >> i'm not diagnosing him, and haven't evaluated him psychological testing anybody's guess what it would show. not knowing every fact isn't required to diagnosed dementia and not saying he has it, i'm
saying put it on the differential. impulsivity and command of the facts, he said we were totally out of afghanistan on a certain date and we'll still leave troops there. he missed a major fact. listen put these on a differential diagnosis. as a psychiatrist today, you didn't call me as a political level. and you'd check his alcohol level, why, he was bizarre. >> dave: you're not suggesting he had a drink just to clear that up. >> i have no idea. what i'm saying-- >> hasn't a drink in his life. >> what i'm saying from a science of personality, of interrupting, what would you put on the differential diagnosis? you'd have to be just, you know, waiting for malpractice case from any one of you if you brought me a parent or grandparent if i didn't say well, let's do a pet scan, a cat scan and mri, to see if
there's an element. dementia. >> alisyn: you have to put that on the table. >> when someone is laughing hysterically and there's a moment in the tape where paul ryan looks at him and there's a moment where he's like, wait, is something really weird happening here? i had that moment and i'm a doctor. >> alisyn: and dr. keith ablow, always great-- >> this won't be controversial, will it? >> no. >> we won't see this on the web. >> we've got to interrupt you. ♪and you will be happy too. well, if itmr. margin?margin. don't be modest, bob. you found a better way to pack a bowling ball. that was ups. and who called ups? you did, bob. i just asked a question.
> >> good morning, everyone, sunday, october 14th, i'm alisyn camerota. president obama and mitt romney are gearing up for round two of the debate. can romney continue his momentum and the president come back from his flop? we'll take a look. >> dave: she lost her son in a libyan terror attack and a grieving mother says she's not getting real answers from the obama administration from what really happened in benghazi. >> i don't trust any of them anymore. they lied. >> dave: more from that
powerful interview and the latest ahead. >> clayton: plus, they're here illegally, so what should we do? one mayor says we're going to give valid photo identification cards and a debit card to anyone regardless of legal status. we'll explain, "fox & friends" hour three starts right now. ♪ >> good morning, everybody, great to have you with us this morning, as we have prepared for, what day are we? are we 23. >> dave: 23 days. >> alisyn: away from the election and only two days away from the next debate so it's obviously a very big weekend. >> dave: it's crunch town. >> clayton: i can't wait it get to tuesday's town hall. and we'll have headlines and other news. >> alisyn: we have a fox news alert. anchorage term has been evacuated after a bomb threat.
it was cleared out after a male passenger made reference to a bomb that was reportedly checked in his luggage. and passengers were taken to another terminal and the man made the comment and two other people are talking to authorities. so far nothing has been turned up. in china, this went wrong and it's caught on tape. scary. thousands of people were watching the show last night and all of a sudden, fireworks came crashing down and into the crowd. people panicked as you can see, trying to escape the explosions. about a hundred people were burned amazingly. none of the injuries is life threatening. well, thousands gather in colorado to remember the life after young girl taken awith a too soon. last night. people lit candles and said prayers in memory of ten-year-old jessica ridgway, kidnapped and killed last week on her way to school.
and earlier in the day, hundreds of balloons in jessica's favorite colors were released. >> we want to honor her the best we can. we love her. >> it's amazing. >> 3, 2, 1... (cheers) >> police are still searching for jessica's killer and asking the community to report anything that seems suspicious. dave, tell us about sports. >> dave: not only do the yankees lose last night in playoffs game to detroit, they lost the captain for the remainder of the season. check out derek jeter go down with a fractured left ankle and screaming in pain. and no pressure on that now broken left ankle and joe girardi says takes about three months to heel and not career ending. and jeter had his 200th post season hit in a heart breaking
final. >> clayton: the statistics. the last time jeter missed a playoff game, 1995. >> dave: he's a work horse. mr. october. >> dave: they'll play today at four o'clock. cardinals and giants on fox's broadcast tonight at eight o'clock. >> clayton: let's check in with rick reichmuth. >> rick: when you said not that i do sports. i thought you said not that i play sports or do-- >> not that i do any physical activity. >> dave: we've established you're a tremendous athletes. >> have you seen me on the squash court. >> rick: no, actually. >> clayton: you won't. >> rick: that's what i figured. a big pocket of warm air across the central plains where we have some storms going on and east coast, southeast, be looking good. there's some rain and even snow across parts of maine this morning, but all the activity is stretched across the mississippi river valley and towards parts of the northern plains. later today, a big storm starts to pull into the pacific northwest. it's good news, we had rain there and a couple of dry months and the rain is
welcomed, two to three inches falling in the next couple of days. later on today, a line of storms here across the central part of the country and the mississippi river valley and pulled up to the east. that's going to be severe. we could see a tornado or two today, but certainly we'll see very strong winds as this line progresses off to the east and pretty big downpours as well. temp-wise, warm as we've been this time this fall. things not looking at that bad and across parts of the plains and back into the 70's and 80's, across parts of the dakotas. all right, guys, back to you. >> dave: thank you, brother. as alisyn mentioned, 23 days out to the election and still no answers anywhere in sight regarding what happened in benghazi where four americans were killed, including the u.s. ambassador chris stevens and even the families of those killed are still not getting answers. >> clayton: last night on judge jeanine pirro's show, the mother of one of the slain
americans there, pat smith, the mother was talking with judge jeanine pirro, she's gotten so many answers and none what she wanted to hear, take a listen. >> i asked every one of them, and leon-- like i mentioned before, leon panetta took his hands with my face and said trust me, i will tell you the truth. i will get the right information to you, just trust me. and when i heard that, i knew i couldn't trust him. and i don't trust any of them anymore, they lied. when you say that the white house finally contacted you a month later, after you were contacted the media, did they give you any more answers about how your son, sean, died? >> yes, they did. yesterday the two people from the fbi and one from the attorney's office, whatever office, u.s. attorney's office, called me on the
phone. they were all on the same line and they started to say, well, okay, what is it you want to know? we'll tell you anything you want to know now. half of what they said i didn't believe anyway because they were still saying it was not a terrorist thing. >> clayton: there you heard from the mother of sean smith. mike bake ser a former covert officer and owner of llc, and he's close to the intelligence community seems to be thrown under the the bus in terms of the information there. what do you make of the mother's comments. >> it's frustrating for us, trying to understand why there's so much spin apparently coming from the administration over there. you can imagine that a parent of one of the four that's killed, you can imagine how frustrating that must be in a situation where all you want is clarity. you just want someone to stand there. look, what a leader is supposed to do, is a leader supposed to take the least amount of credit when things are going right and supposed
to take the blame when things are heading south? we don't have that. >> there's so much knowledge on what did happen here and i want to ask you about that. now, the state department, hillary clinton is saying we told you the intelligence we had. joe biden said that in the debate. who dropped the ball? everyone a throwing intelligence under the bus. >> who dropped the ball, essentially an administrative screwup, you hate to saw it it sounds like a logistical areaor, but the risk assessment done on that facility in benghazi was completely inappropriate, you can tell by the fact there was no security to account for the environment that they were operating in. >> low level department official, low level signed off on disregarding the increase in security at this facility, signs off on it and never apparently hit the desk of hillary clinton. so, was this-- >> who knows. >> clayton: we don't know, but
it seems like she signed off on it, hillary clinton may have never been aware of it. >> often times in these sort of internal requests, whether it's security, additional resources, whatever it might be for, it's not going to rise to the level of someone in the cabinet, but when you're talking about libya, when you're talking about syria, when you're talking about iran, those sort of decisions, because of how critical those countries are at that particular time, it's not a stretch to think, it would have gone up higher than it would have. at the end of the day it doesn't matter because right from the very start, and then they continue to stick with it, this narrative was, was flawed. >> alisyn: but, mike, i want to get past the muddled message. i think we get bogged down in who lied. help us understand this. when you listened to eric nordstrom testify, one of the guys on the ground, from the agency there and lt. colonel andrew wood and they say we
need 12 more armed guys here, they knew what they needed in order to keep the consulate safe, why wasn't that a no-brainer, here you go. >> i think part of it was resource and they didn't want to go through the process of extending the resource. and frankly should have had a marine security guard there and shut the consulate for a period of time until they upgraded the capabilities of it in terms of hardened security. but i think a big part of it was not just the resources, i think it was the opic, he were desperate to display there was no normality, there didn't want the problems we've got to increase our security, what does it say to the government, to the surrounding region. they just wanted to go away. they got into libya, could you argue for unusual reasons, the french and italy were pressuring us because of theirs, there could be a slaughter of civilians.
and not to go into weeds, but what's going on with sear yeah, we're not there. >> saying this was a spontaneous response to a film. is that a chance that was provided to them by our folks on the ground. >> part of it is, you have to be fair. not sitting in the room and listening to these conversations, but from my experience in working with that organization, and within the intel community and from the conversations that you've had with people that i believe are, you know, have access, no. there was nobody sitting there saying, honestly, sir, you know, here is our assessment, it's that video. that 14 minute video on youtube that caused this. they looked at it, well, you know, it's a protest. i think it was flawed. i don't think they started out let's lie to the american public. i think they were looking for something that would allow them to say hey we got caught flat-footed, it's not our fault. it just happened. and inthey honestly believe that the american public is going to be disinterested
enough they'll get top cover from the majority of media outlets and perhaps they think the public is too stupid to care or to think about it, but the narrative they -- the house white house couldn't be so stupid to believe the narrative they threw out there. the only logical conclusion, it was political spin because of the upcoming election. >> alisyn: political spin. you heard from that mom, and they have parents, they want answers. >> thanks, mike. coming up on the show we've been telling you about a historic leap of faith one man is going to attempt. there's a slight delay and we'll keep an eye on it, jump out of the stratus sphere. >> dave: no candy, no run, why one school is banning halloween. >> alisyn: eye rolling and interrupting, no, not dave briggs, joe biden's reaction at the debates.
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>> welcome back, everybody. mixed reviews, shall we say, for the vice-president's performance on thursday night's debate. and some slamming his demeanor or laughing, eye rolling, and interrupting. ali says he took a page out of my book. was president obama taking notes and is this what we can expect from round two in tuesday's different town hall debate? >> we'll find out now. joining us now is the the host of fox news sunday, chris wallace and seen and moderated a number of these debates, good to he see you. >> hi, guys. >> clayton: you look at a town hall style debate and many think that the president is going to take the gloves off for the next town hall meeting. but as karl rove pointed out, it's a different format and venue and you need to appear more folksy, can he hit back assertively. >> yes, but it's a different format. a town hall, not reporters asking questions and the candidates won't be addressing
each other, and the moderators are going to be addressing real people asking real questions about their lives so you've got to keep the focus on them, but having said that, there will be plenty of opportunities over the 90 minutes when romney says something and obama gets a chance to rebut or vice versa, for obama to say, hey, that's not what you've said before, that's one of the main lines from the obama campaign at this point is that romney is trying to move to the center, to soften some o conservative edges and appear moremoderate. and it's a difficult and delicate pivot because you can't take attention away from joe who is asking a question about his family. >> alisyn: average joe. chris, you were one of the first newscasters the night of the vice-presidential debate and say that was inappropriate how the vice-president acted and disrespectful and never in all of yours years of coverage
see a reaction like that. in the days since how has the beltway responded to joe biden's performance? >> i think the feeling is and i guess-- i haven't changed my mind about that on substance, it was kind after wash, close enough if you favored one candidate, you thought he won. if you favored the other, the same. but i think on style that biden weakened his case because he made it such an object of attention and there are certainly some people in the base, the democratic base down after obama's lackluster performance in the first debate i'm sure were engaged and uplifted by what biden did, but i think most independent or neutral observers thought it was way over the top. as you look at the clips you were just showing, i mean, you know, it was like he had seen -- he was going to a performance of the producers on broadway or something. this was just knee slappingly funny what paul ryan was saying.
>> dave: well, i don't think that benghazi will come up in a town hall style debate. it does appear on the docket for the third and final debate. how big after problem for the administration, what appears to be a coverup. it's not just fox news talking about it. you open up the new york times, a thorough well-written comprehensive editorial how they blew this situation from the beginning. how big of a problem is this for the obama team and how will they handle it? >> well, it's certainly a problem in terms of us and the media and our reporting and you're right, fox news started with it, now the mainstream media has picked up. and you know, there are two aspects to it. first of all, and most importantly, by far, is the question of the failure of intelligence and security beforehand because that's the only thing that would have saved the lives of chris stevens, the ambassador and the three other americans and we had at that really very disheartening hearing on wednesday where you had the people on the ground in lib
yea-- libya saying we asked over and over again, and the regional security person says more than the threat, was the response from the state department and i felt, he said, like the taliban was in the building, inside the state department. we were fighting the enemy there. that's the most important thing and the other story which is certainly important, but wouldn't have saved lives, is the changing story of the administration after the fact where they continued for days to say it was a spontaneous protest run amok. when we now know there was no protest at all. >> dave: see more of chris wallace on his great show this morning. and great guests, david axelrod, and gillespie, the senior advisor, a great peanue what we are he gag to see on tuesday night. >> and the stuff about libya. >> dave: and sorry for the nationals, pulling for them. >> really? i'm sorry about the yankees and derek jeter, how is that. >> dave: genuine. >> alisyn: ouch.
okay, chris. thanks so much. and ahead he's one of the richest men in the world and richer thanks to a government program that gives out free phones. >> dave: they're here illegally, what should we do? a mayor says give them a valid photo i.d. and a debit card. that's coming up. ♪ computer, we might still be making mix tapes. find this. pause this. play this. eject this. write this. it's like the days before esurance express lane™. you had to find a bunch of documents just to get a car insurance quote. now express lane finds your driving info with just one click, saving time to be nostalgic about the days before express lane. thank you, insurance for the modern world. esurance. now backed by allstate. click or call.
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>> welcome back everybody, a government-run program that provides free cell phones to low income families is raising a few eyebrows yet again and turns out one of the president' top donors, along with the richest man are getting even richer from these so-called obama phones. >> clayton: joining us now with more on this is fox news contributor, steven crowder, what is going on here? >> well, there are a few
things going on here, we're talking about a guy carlos slim, one of the richest men in the world is essentially benefitting from the free obama phone program. and we dispel a common myth and talk about it at fox news, that president obama and administration is bad for business. he's not bad for business, if you're a bank that's too big to fail, he's great. on a green energy company, great for business. an auto manufacturer who sucks at their jobs, great for business. for small businesses or one of the pre-destined few designated for federal dollars, he picks winners and losers and doling out free phones courtesy of carlos slim. >> dave: well, at issue, specifically might be with this case, there's a top obama donor who is actually profiting from this program. why isn't more not been made
of that? >> as to why more has not been made of it, your guess is as good as mine, but the fact is this goes on everywhere, we're talking about basically a foreign billionaire who is profiting millions of dollars off of a program in the united states which then allows people to vote in their self-interest to free phones, goes back to a billionaire and-- it's tough to follow here, the bottom line is this, people are going to get mad. no one deserves a free phone. nobody in this country deserves a free phone. and i don't really see the voter base for barack obama anymore, it's getting-- if you're a christian you can't vote for him. your values preclude him and now with the segment, if you're a small business owner not receiving a never ending funnel of taxpayer dollars or federal dollars you can't vote for him and i'm guessing people who want more free crap. i'm seeing a lot of because president obama has put quite a few people under the poverty line and a free phone might
sound mighty nice. >> clayton: this came during the reagan years, the lifeline, and low income americans get access to phones, in et case of emergencies, a partnership between the sec and phone companies. here is what the fcc says, life lines ensure that they have the opportunity and security that phone service brings and including being able to connect to jobs, family and emergency services. >> well, it's a very basic land line program. if you look at track phones now, on the website, now with 4g speeds, clayton, i don't have 4g's. moving into the television and moving in my house and laughed at me because it wasn't a flat screen. no one deserves a free phone. these people have no concept of the legitimate parameters of government. they think what actually falls under the purview of federal government is to provide with you a phone with 4g speeds. you're not entitled to a phone. you don't deserve it, and i'm not afraid to say, that, yeah, if you're taking free phones
and free crap and voting for the guy who's going to give you more free crap. you are a drain on this economy. you're not making, you're om taking and if i've said significant that's out of line or offended anybody, tweet me at s crowder, oh, see easy to find. >> and panderer, 4g speeds did. >> alisyn: hold a second, my mic caught off at spain@s crowder on twitter. >> dave: still there, since the 1920's, and those who lost their lives during world war i. now, one group says that this cross must go. we'll tell you how the community is fighting back. >> clayton: and don't think about wearing your halloween costume to one school. one district putting a ban on halloween. ♪
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. [horn blowing] >> it's my favorite time of year. >> alisyn: we have clayton here, his favorite sport. >> clayton: this is punkin' chuckin', getting it as close to the target. and the amount of engineering that goes into it. look at it!. >> alisyn: shot out of a cannon!. >> dave: we had the guys on the plaza, chucking the pumpkins all over the place. >> clayton: with catapults. dangerous. >> dave: have to do that later today. meanwhile, an interesting situation out there in los angeles, you know, california dotted with sanctuary cities. mayor antonio villaraigosa,
high school an interesting program he wants to provide i.d.'s that double as atm cards for people regardless of their immigration status which could open the door to illegals being in a sense-- >> he says no way, nothing to do with illegals. but of course, if you don't have to answer what your immigration status is that could open the door for that. he says it's to help the poor and elderly in the communities who don't drive, don't have access to i.d. cards and therefore can't open accounts, have to carry cash and can't borrow library books and integrate them into the community. >> alisyn: it helps the police, if they're carrying a photo i.d. with their address and if somebody reports a crime, you know the address they've reportedly given and
have a way of what the actual identification is and identity is, i should say, if they're truthful. and so, immigrants, new immigrants, illegal or otherwise, to the country and don't have those things and don't have a permanent address. >> and shouldn't have valid i.d.'s. >> alisyn: if you live in l.a., you already are not going to be arrested for being an illegal immigrant. this is basically-- >> it's essentially a sanctuary city. >> alisyn: and it's a sanctuary city modeling it on san francisco and oakland. and this is not phoenix, arizona not looking to deport you. they're looking for you if there's a crime committed. >> dave: and i look at this with regard, across the country, democratic mayors and governors are fighting, pushing bark on the voter i.d. laws. in this case we want to bring them all out and get easy photo i.d.'s and make it easier or you, it's too hard for you to have i.d.'s in in case it's too hard for you to get an i.d. >> alisyn: it's funny. >> dave: how do you make the two arguments simultaneously.
>> clayton: especially when you have to prove that you have a permanent address to get one of these identifications. >> dave: too difficult to vote, too difficult in november, but not now. >> alisyn: you make a good point saying this will make your life easier. having this photo i.d. will make your life easier for immigran immigrants. >> dave: have it both ways on idea. >> clayton: the same argument in pennsylvania, it would make it more difficult for the elderly to get those because they have to have those i.d.'s. and let us know friend email@example.com and we have a facebook page. >> alisyn: and twitter and making an arrest in the death of the missing university of new hampshire student. and a 29-year-old has been charged with second degree murder. last night, hundreds attended a candlelight vigil for the missing 19-year-old who vanished tuesday night from campus. >> just a fun, free spirit and
she's always happy, always in a great mood, you know, and we'll miss her. >> together, we created an angel and she's home in heaven. >> alisyn: and marriott's body yet to be recovered, but police believe she as killed. the meningitis outbreak claimed another life. now 15 people died. the latest death in indiana. 197 cases across 13 states as many as 14,000 people may have been exposed to the tainted shots linked to the outbreak. as the number of cases grows, investigators are trying to figure out how the shot became contaminated and whether the company that made the shots violated any laws. well, more than 100 people have been in maryland to save a world war i memorial. >> usa, don't let them take the cross!. >> alisyn: the cross memorial was built in 1920's to honor 49 local men who died during world war i, but an atheist
group is suing to get the cross portion removed saying it represents only one faith and it's not universal. now the american legion is stepping in to try to get control of the memorial so the cross cannot be removed. listen to this, no costumes, no candy, no parties. that's what this strict in illinois is telling the students and the superintendent is banning halloween, claiming it's unfair to poor students and has religious overtones. and as it stands now, they'll liston feedback from parents at a meeting later this week. and here is an idea, how about providing for kids for costumes and candy and have an even playing field. >> clayton: let's check with rick reichmuth outside getting ready for halloween, working on a costume for a few hours now. >> alisyn: scary! (laughter) >> aren't you glad that you were a kid in the 70's or 80's when you could just
trick-or-treat. >> alisyn: a free-for-all. >> no rules, nothing. >> rick: home by dark, good times. all right, guys, take a look at this picture, it's nice sharing all of these fall pictures, another one out of boon, north carolina, i've never been there, but making my plans now, a beautiful one yesterday and another nice one coming from cat on twitter, and 50 degrees right now. a great one to get out and start your hike. today 63 degrees, and that's amazing, keep sending them. rick reichmuth on twitter. at my facebook page. and northeast warmer than yesterday and that warm isn't warm just compared to yesterday it's going to be warmer. we'll see sunshine breaking through although kind after cloudy start to the day. down to the southeast, the coastal areas, much of florida looking good and southeast florida you'll see rain, but there will be some severe weather today right across the ohio river valley, tennessee valley, and that's where we could see some very strong winds and maybe a tornado or
two as well. up to the northern plains, more just heavy rain, and that's across areas of wisconsin into michigan and some areas up to about two inches of rain falling from this and then across the west, very nice conditions continue, but in the pacific northwest, a big system moving in. i haven't said that in a very long time. some rain showers moving in across much of the coastal areas of washington. back to you inside. >> clayton: that person doing pilates on the mountain top there. >> alisyn: a pose. >> dave: very relaxing. coming up, it's a film made to warn americans about the trouble with big government. a second installment has been released and we'll talk about it when we return. >> alisyn: the president 0 for 1 in the debates so far. and tuesday's format will mitt romney keep cruising forward. a look back at what history can teach us in this moment. app is here. browse pages of inspiration, trends,
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>> welcome back, the pressure is on president obama to redeem himself around two of the debates around mitt romney. what can the candidates learn from past town hall style debates. >> i can only think that senator dole, it's the ideas i question. >> it's what your philosophy and position on issues, but can he get things done? >> there's an energy bill on the floor of the senate loaded down with goodies, billions to the oil companies, and it was sponsored by bush and cheney, you know who voted for it? you might never know-- >> that's true, there are some things i don't understand, i don't understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. >> clayton: great moments and joining us with more on this analyst pete are johnson, jr. >> good to see you, this is at hofstra university in long island and these have been going on, town hall debates
since 1992. and really the pride of american politics, it's unique in the world that people in the united states get the opportunity to go one-to-one with the president or the presidential challenger, and ask their questions. and we see almost as kindergarten teachers, the people, the public, us, the audience, how these candidates socialize with each other, how they respond to the voters, and how they answer the questions in a way that show empat empathy, sympathy, direction and a quest for the future. there's a couple of lessons that need to be understood, how to approach a voter. how to approach the people that are asking these questions, that gallup put together undecided voters. let's look at bill clinton, who is kind of the master of human communication. >> you know people who lost their jobs and their homes. >> yes, uh-huh. >> well, i've been governor of a small state for 12 years, i'll tell you how it's affected me. every year congress and the president sign laws that make
us do more things, and give us money to do it with. i see people in my state, middle class people, their taxes gone up and washington services gone down and wealthiest got tax cuts. >> and a lot of people peter thought that moment won him the election. >> and that he won at that particular debate and that he won the particular election, obviously, against george bush. it's also important, i think, to use humor to show that you're human, that you can relate to people, and so let's take a look at one clip where george bush could use some humor against-- >> the president got $84 from a timber company that he owned and he's counted as a small business, dick cheney is counted as a small business, that's how they do thing, that's just not right. >> i own a timber company?
(laughter) >> that's news to me. (laughter) need some wood? >> i mean, that was-- i remember watching that and it was so -- it was so genuine. >> right. >> and so human and so senator kerry was kind of a stiff candidate. >> right. >> and it's interesting, the polls at that time though said that by a few points, that senator kerry won it, but in rewatching it, i think that, that's not true. and there's an authenticity that needs to come through in the town halls, as you were looking back over some clips from 1990 onward and that sort of stands out to you, the need to connect with the audience. >> needs to be a connection with the audience, but also, when you look back at 2008, the debate between senator mccain and then senator obama, senator obama was cutting and slashing in his presentation there, he said some very strong, if not offensive things, to senator mccain. but he also said it with his
back to senator mccain. and that was interesting tactic. a direct on offensive, talking to the people asking him the question and saying the god awful things he believed to be true about senator mccain's policies. >> because of that debate, there were critics that said that senator mccain never glanced at senator obama. >> and referred to him as that one, and there was mainstream pressure on that one. we're use today oprah and phil donahue and on the fox news channel and it's the sine quanon, and so policy is important. >> in the future, it's important. but do i have the ability to be friends with the person that's asking the question
even though i don't agree with them. >> and you're going to be at the debate. what are you looking for. >> i'm going to be look for the ability to connect with the audience and senator now president obama responding in a way that was more aggressive. biden came in high to set the bar high for him. and pat moynihan talked about bringing it down. if we get use today certain conduct, other conduct is not as objection ablg. obama has to be tough, romney has to be tough and strong and at the same time, yes, i am a multi-millionaire, but-- >> i feel your pain. >> he is feeling your pain, but it's more than feeling your pain. more than feel your pain, i have a solution for your pain, so, just don't give me bromiding about empathy, i'm going to give you some solutions for the future. that's what they both need to focus on. >> clayton: we'll check back with peter who will be at the debate and thanks for taking a look back at the historical--
>> tomorrow, we'll look at the town hall performance, four years ago by president obama to see what promises he made, what promises he kept. i'll be at the debate on tuesday and then we'll be covering the all important al smith dinner where the president and governor romney come here to new york with cardinal dolan, tell jokes for charity, but it's an important, important standoff between the two of them at the waldorf atora. >> clayton: peter johnson, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> clayton: the mother of one of the men killed in the consulate attack in libya, says the white house isn't telling her or the american people the truth. >> i don't trust any of them anymore. they lied. >> clayton: she's now looking for answers. will she get them? >> it's a warning to america about big government, but do parts of atlas shrugged 2, ring true in today's society? we'll talk to the producer. >> it's happening so fast-- still make you te notice.
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>> the book kwa "atlas shrugged", the movie is generating a lot of buzz. for the duration of the national emergency, the statutes of directive 10, 2, 89, shall remain in effect. all copy rights shall be transferred to the federal government. all wages and form of income are hereby frozen. >> it's happening so fast. >> i won't be a slave. >> do parts of this film ring true insociety? joining us now the producer
atlas shrugs, working on part 2, and 3. >> how are you. >> dave: we're doing great. this book written in the 1950's, why do you think it's resonating today? >> well, you know, the book was written by ion ran, after the policy had been enacted and wrote it as a warning and here we are 50 years later and a lot of things she wrote about 50 years later and a lot of things she wrote about. >> alisyn: give us an example of the things that seemed so futuristic or science fiction-like in the 1950's, when she wrote it and come to pass. >> just the overreaching nature of the government. in fact, president obama in his closing statements at the debate was talking about, you know, everybody should have their fair share and yet, you have a big theme that runs through part two of the movie, you know, the fair share act and we see the implications of
that type of collectivist sort of thinking on the part of washington d.c. and how that impacts our economy and here we are, in the midst of a very tough economy and high unemployment and these are the various, very themes that ann rand warned us about when she wrote the big book in 1957. >> dave: things like entitlement spending and look at the rise of entitlements. go back know 1960, 24 billion dollars. 2010, 2.2 trillion committed dollars on enteenments. let me ask you, sir, i read an interesting quote by liberals. why don't liberals recognize her as a chance against racist bigotry, most notably ahead of her time in championing women's rights. and why don't the liberals recognize her vision? >> that's a great question
because you know, mainstream media and hollywood, you know, they had, for example, the producer acquired the rights of more than 20 years ago, tried to get hollywood to make this movie and for some reason, they just fear this message will somehow disrupt the left leaning agenda, but the message is really just about smaller government, individual rights, and free markets and those are certainly the things that support capitalism and for some reason that capitalism has become a dirty word and just atlas shrugged opens our eyes on the path it's taken. >> alisyn: interesting how long to make this money, but part two of atlas shrugged. you're the producer, thanks for coming in. >> thank you very much. >> dave: very interesting, sir. coming up, one presidential debate down, two more to go. so, who is pulling ahead in the polls?
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good morning, everyone: sunday, october 14th. round two days away. can president obama bounce back from his first debate flop. brand-new poll numbers hot off the press. we'll see them momentarily. >> her son was murdered in a libya terror attack and she says the with white house is not telling her or the american people the whole truth. >> i don't trust any of them anymore. they lied. >> that mother wants answers.
will she get them? more from that powerful interview and the blame game. >> a wind turbine company laying off 800 workers even though they got $15 million in stimulus tax breaks. "fox & friends" hour four starts right now. >> good morning, again, thanks for being with us, scott rasmussen is standing by with new polls of swing states plus the national -- >> i can't show them to you. >> it's hot off the presses. >> smell those polls? they're fresh, like right out of the oven. i can't show them to you. scott sends them early. >> very good. >> also coming up on the program, she will react to all the latest happenings 23 days out from the election. and will it become an issue, this handling of the benghazi
situation, the killing of four americans, including the u.s. embassador. now if you thought you were not being honest and forthright or the media was telling the truth you're not alone. the families of the four americans killed are not being told the truth. >> last night on judge jeanine pirro's show. her -- the state department worker wants information as to what led to the death of her son. she says she's not getting any information. >> did the president speak to you personally about what happened to your son 0? >> yes. >> what did he say? >> he says, we will check it out and let you know. and that's what hillary said and
panetta and joe biden and susan rice. after that i heard nothing until you talked to the people in the media. absolutely nothing. >> what did leon -- what did the president say to you specifically? and hillary clinton and leon panetta, did she say it was about a film? >> susan rice total me specifically it was a phillip and it was not a -- film and it was not a terrorist attack. >> that it was not a terrorist attack. >> exactly. she said that days afterwards too when i saw her on tv. they told me -- in fact, about three or four days, all those big shots over there were saying it was not a terrorist attack. >> did you ask -- >> it didn't gel right for me because of all the other things that i heard. so -- i can't tell you specifics. just everything did not add up
right. >> it's important to hear from pat smith on many levels. because embassador stevens has gotten so much attention, rightfully. it's a shocking event for this country, but sometimes that's eclipsed the other three americans who had children, wives, families and moms like pat smith, who want answers and who care about what went wrong. >> imagine if you're a parent finding out there were security requests to beef up security, which could have prevented the death of your son. to learn that were documents, reject, no, we're not giving you increased security. it never reached the desk of hillary clinton. that would be heartbreaking to know. >> the last thing you want to hear as a family member is learn things from the media
furnishings television. you want someone to look you in the eye or tell you on the phone what happened. in the words of mike baker, in the c.i.a. for 17 years, that situation in benghazi was, in his words, a war zone. he got that from people on the ground. that came from months, weeks, and of course the days surrounding it and he said no one in the state department should have had embassador stevens anywhere near the consulate on the 9/11 anniversary. >> she talked about the days after her son lost his life, the muddled message from officials. she talked to them again on friday because she's gotten media attention so they called her back and it's still confusing. >> i asked every one of them and leon panetta took his hands with
my face and said trust me, i will tell you the truth. i will get the right information to you, just trust me. when i heard that, i knew i couldn't trust him. i don't trust any of them anywhere. >> when you say the white house finally contacted you a month later after you were contacted by the media, did they give you more answers about how your son, shawn, died? >> yes, they did. yesterday they -- they -- two people from the f.b.i. and one from the attorney's office, whatever office, u.s. attorney's office, called me on the phone. they were all on the same line and they started to say, okay, what is it that you want to know? we'll tell you anything you want to know now. half of what they said, i didn't believe anyway because they were still saying it was not a terrorist thing. >> it could have been part of a larger narrative to detract
attention from libya. we're out of there. we intervened, he's dead. this was 9/11, unrelated to trim terrorism. >> also to reduce our footprint in the renal region. she deserves the truth, we deserves the truth. you deserves the truth. 28 days out, we won't before the election. >> in the senate, joe lieberman launched an investigation. you know about the house investigation ice is a is heading up. the senate is also doing an investigation. everything is trying, they say, to get answers and it would be nice to have information before the election obviously. all right. mean while. should i read some headlines? we have a fox news alert. the south terminal at anchorage
airport is back open after a bomb threat. police found no explosives. a passenger made reference to a bomb checked in his will you lu. a fireworks display in china goes terribly wrong and it's caught on tape. scary sound. people were watching the show last night when all of a sudden fireworks crashed into the crowd. people were panicked and about 100 people were burned, but none of the injuries was life-threatening. thousands gathering in colorado to remember the life of a girl taken too soon. people lit cancel and said prayers in memory of the jessica ridgeway, kidnapped and killed
as she was on her way to school. hundreds of balloons in her favorite colors were released to the sky. >> we want to honor her the best we can because we love her. >> thank you. it's amazing. >> three, two, one! >> police are still searching for jessica's killer that morning. they're asking the community to report anything or anyone that seems suspicious. clayton? >> i've been watching this on twitter. a live look from this historic jump that will happen at any moment from 23 miles high in the sky. this will happen. a former australian pair trooper hoping to become the first skydiver to break the sound barrier with his body. no jet propulsion. he'lling lifted by a giant helium balloon and he'll free fall reaching 695 miles an hour.
baumgartner is no stranger to stunts. this was in 2006. he jumps off a building. >> i'm glad he had a parachute. >> let's bring in rick reichmuth. meteorologists say it's great conditions for him. how do they measure that in the stratosphere? >> i'm assuming that they're worried about the wind conditions as he gets lower. >> or perhaps that helium balloon he's taking going up. >> exactly. >> i just read -- you can verify this. i just read it's delayed until 845 mountain daylight time. >> rick, you are a daredevil. are you envious? >> no way. hold on, let me say this, i don't want to jump out of a plane. but at that point it's like, who knows what that is. go and see what happens.
>> skydiving is good fun, my friend. we'll leave it at that. >> temps across the east much warmer than yesterday. yesterday was the coldest morning of the year in the northeast, today, 20 to 30 degrees warmer. a warm front moved through. eastern coast looking clear but storms in the central part of the country moving 0 toward the mid mississippi river valley. a big storm is targeting the pacific northwest. this is the first to bring two to three inches of rain the next couple of days. today the severe weather is in the ohio valley towards areas of the south but it's a slight risk area extended across northern indiana, ohio and eastern illinois. expect to say storms this afternoon anywhere you see the yellow. temperature wise, a big improvement to where we've been all the way towards the northern
plains, 70's, 73 in cleveland. tomorrow, temps remain warm also. a nice break from the early fal. >> beautiful, thank you. we're keeping an eye on the skydiver. first, they're coming here illegally, so what should we do 0? one mayor says give them a valid photo identification card and debit card. wait until you hear the nuance. presidential debate, one down, two more to go. who is pulling ahead in the polls. scott rasmussen is here with new numbers, even from the swing states. we'll see him first next. [ female announcer ] the best things in life are the real things.
we've been promising new presidential tracking polls fresh out of the oven. >> other shows have to wait until tomorrow. not u joining us is pollster scott rasmussen of rasmussen reports. what have you found out that's fresh today? >> right now, the national tracking poll shows mitt romney at 49%, president obama at 47%. this gives us a way to set the stage for the second presidential debate. before the first debate president obama was up by two points. a couple of percent switches from obama to romney to romney is up. he's been ahead or tied in eight of the last nine days. >> we talked about how the needle doesn't move much on debates, that viewpoints are locked in. it shows how important the first debate was. numbers are swinging the other
way. >> that's right. 98% of voters didn't change their mind but the race was so close, even a small switch was enough to change who was in front and right now mitt romney has an advantage. >> let's talk about the all-important swing states, the battleground states. you have fresh numbers to reveal on those also. start with virginia, what did you just find out? who is leading there? >> in virginia, mitt romney is up by a couple of points. this is a state that president obama won four years ago. the democrats have not won it for more than 40 years before that. right now, romney, again, shifting a little bit. a month ago he was down a point in virginia. >> now it's 49-47%. >> right. >> now to florida here on -- the middle of your screen. this is also significant. 47%? >> this is very significant. look, this is a race -- this is a 4-point lead for romney in
florida, the biggest lead either man has had in florida all year. this is the way it should go if you look at the basic demographics. seniors are more opposed to the president's healthcare law than any other group. a lot of seniors in florida, mitt romney is moving to a 4-point lead and this is a gradual shift. it's not a massive swing. if those two states turn out the way the polls currently show with romney winning a little bit in florida, romney winning in virginia, it all comes to ohio and right now, president obama still up by a single point. >> mitt romney has to win ohio as we've heard. no republican has won the white house without winning ohio. 48% for president obama, mitt romney with 47%. if you loses ohio, he's got to sweep all the other swing states, correct? >> that's correct. look, all the other swing states
are tossups. it is theoretically possible for mitt romney to lose ohio and sweep the others. but it's very hard to envision how that happens in the real world. if he wins ohio, he probably takes other swing states as well. that's why romney and ryan be spending time there and president obama is sending in bruce bruce springsteen and bill clinton to ohio. this is the this is the decisive state. >> you're keeping our eye on next tuesday night with the next town hall. the last presidential debate moved the needle more than you predicted. >> how long after tuesday's debate do we have to wait for your numbers, accurate numbers for the debate. >> to get accurate numbers. we have to wait. >> wait for the good polls at
the end of the week. >> thank you for sharing your new polls. >> sorry about your yankees. he's a yankees fan. >> i notice that's your parting shot to a lot of guests. >> david twists my arm, get a parting yankee shot. >> coming up, more of your tax dollars going to waist. a wind turbine company laying off workers even though they got stimulus tax breaks. >> will joe biden's laughter help gain support or turn them off. ann coulter has thoughts on that.al she joins us next. . ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission?
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>> we had these sanctions in place. it's inspite of their opposition. this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's been discredit by six studies. we advocated for constituents applying for grants. that's what we do for all constituents. >> i love that. i love that. >> did the vice president's constant laughing and interruptions scare voters away? joining us from l.a., the author of mugged. ann coulter. >> good morning. >> ann, was that joe biden being joe? by now voters know joe can be goofy and shoot from the hip, or was there something different in his tone that night? >> no, i think it was totally contrived and it was because liberals, they needed to gin up their own base, which is it's getting late to worry about your base. biden did everything except the
al gore sigh. that he was -- that was the only move biden did have but it was so fake and obviously planned, he's a little like -- he's a little like newt gingrich in the primaries, and that is he rallied the base and somebody said he's sticking it to obama but i said we need to win an election. it's not just galvanizing the base. really, that was the effect of joe biden in the debate which is why most polls thought biden crushed ryan. one poll said biden won. the liberals were thread with it. my own focus group watching the debate last night, it was especially unpopular with the
gals in the room and the polls bear that out, he reminds you of the biggest jackass boyfriend you've ever had. >> let's put up the pole among women voters. obama at 49%. romney at -- >> this was before the debate. >> but after the debate, i'm sorry, what? say that again? >> okay. we also have this independent voters' poll to put up. throw it up on the screen. these are the two groups at issue. whether or not vice president biden was able to reach out to women voters and get the voter block. a lot of people said maybe he turned these individuals off after the debate. >> i think in a big way. but meanwhile, you flash over to msnbc and they're high-fiving because they wanted somebody to
be rude and condescending so a republican on tv. that was done. for your average person to see an adult man with bright, flashing dentures, being rude to the sweet young altar boy, paull ryan, it was a turnoff. that was true in my focus group of three and also that is how the polls looked in the end too. >> i wanted to ask you about one of your favorite subjects, hollywood wood. stacy dash, former star of clueless. a beautiful young actress announced she's 0 supporting mitt romney and was attacked by the left and the hollywood community. was this more, in your opinion, about race or about politics? >> more about race. i mean compare how she's treated who howmy are mia love is treatd from utah. clarence thomas, herman cain,
you know, liberals may be the last pockets of racists that exist in america. it's not some word that has to be translated for you that you're not supposed to use like chicago politics or apartment. these are old time, vicious racist slurs applied to the ones i just mentioned. the last people in america still using slurs are liberals toward conservative blacks. stacy dash voted for obama last time. her tweet said vote romney, it's for your future. whoa, all hell broke loose with that. >> there we have it, vote for romney, the only choice for your future. so, ann, thanks so much. we'll look forward to hearing the results of your three-woman focus groups after tuesday nights.
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welcome back, everyone. there is a development on the benghazi investigation this weekend. senator lieberman announced the senate will undertake its own investigation in addition to what the house oversight committee started on wednesday when two whistle blowers came forward to talk about the situation. there were signs. >> there were a lot of signs. were there enough security signs where low-level state department individuals basically signed off, didn't agree nor security, whose desk did it reach and why didn't it reach the highest levels of the government? the president appoints embassador. s. in june there were major security concerns. an ied attack thrown at the perimeter of the u.s. con late. we -- consulate. this is american soil.
we have consulates in different countries, these are sovereign u.s. spaces. >> the june 11st, the attack on the british embassador's motorcade. either eric nordstrom or colonel wood was there, helped rescue the british embassador after the attack and he testified they knew about that. the state department. >> that's not all. we go through more. june 18th a gunman attacked the tunisian consulate and burned the flag. august 6, the benghazi -- this is not an official embassy to my knowledge but there were indicators leading up to this. i spoke to mike baker and he told me everyone he knows in the
intelligence community knew this was, in their words, a war zone in benghazi and tripoli in the months, weeks and days leading up to this. how could it have been missed in an interesting quote from barbara bowdine who served in yemen. she says nobody wants to take responsibility in case something happens. nobody will debate over what is reasonable security. no one wants to step up and take responsibility for this. >> that seems to be the case. in this case, the point is when you have this level of attack on the british embassy -- embassador, on the consulate, that has to have been on the vice president's radar. he says we weren't told. we, apparently, the president and vice president. when the attacks are at that level, that -- how could it not
have gone up to the top office? >> right. mike addressed those comments and we have what he said about joe biden. >> there is no chance that the vice president, with all due respect, his comments during the debate on thursday, can hold water. the intel, the c.i.a., they're used to being kicked in the backside. they're a scapegoat. they're an apolitical organization. >> who dropped the ball? >> the white house and state department. they were being advised for months and months, aside from the fact they didn't do their job terms of providing security facilities for people defloyd benghazi, they missed request after request to upgrade security there. and we know what the result was. now the fact they started with a narrative immediately after that was hey, from a political
standpoint, if you have an election coming up, the narrative made sense. now they want to say no matter what type of security we have, we wouldn't have been able to fend it off. now they say it's the intel community's fault. >> a lot of attention has been paid to after the fact, did they evaluate what happened. are we paying attention to the intelligence community. >> we're not being proactive, reactive. >> we have to get to your headlines right now. an aspiring actor and martial arts expert has been charged with the killing of lizzi marriott. he's expected to appear in court tomorrow. hundreds of family and friends attended a candlelight vigil.
>> a fun, free spirit. it's the only way -- always happy, always in a great mood. >> together we created an angel and she's home in heaven. >> marriott's body has yet to be recovered. >> the mayor of los angeles pushing a controversial plan to create an official city photo i.d. car for immigrants. it doubles as a prepaid atm card helping them open bank accounts. critics say it's accommodating people in the country illegally. >> a danish wind turbine company that received more than $15 million in stimulus tax breaks now laying off 800 workers in the u.s. other green energy failures, solyndra, fister and the chevy volt. search and rescue dogs become the -- became the unsung
heroes of 9/11. now a center is opening the doors for more puppies to learn to save lives. ann in a joins us. >> this video is sure to make your hearts melt. we traveled to philadelphia to see how the center is changing the way detection dogs are trained and bred. >> on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks researchers graduated the first class of put puppies. labradors, a golden retriever and dutch shephard named after search and rescue dogs. >> the working dog center is a culmination of ten years of vision and dreaming. >> k-9s are used for therapy, during patrols and to detect bombs and ied. they're on the cutting edge, focuses on researching and training the dogs at 8 weeks old before fears or bad habits
develop. >> we have the ability to make it fun and motivating and overcome any issues. >> the american kennel club is funding a research dna bank for detection dogs. >> what we want to know is what is the genetics behind that that makes certain breeds, not only the breed but dogs within that breed or cross breed really good. >> the center has no shortage of people wanting to get involved. over 300 people involved. the main job is just to love on them. >> the best part of it is every morning when i wake up, i get kisses like this. >> i had her about a month and today was the first time i saw her in action doing searches. it's like your little girl going off to school, being so proud. >> the families keep the pups nights and weekends. the good-bye a year from now will be bittersweet. >> if some day she can find
somebody under rubble after a earthquake or after a hurricane, it will be worth it. >> did you see how he's holding her? >> each dog is a $20,000 investment. >> did you want to adopt one? >> i did. >> the chocolate. >> when i came home, my yellow lab that i have was so jealous. with all the smells. >> not happy. cheating on her. >> a great story. thank you so much. >> coming up, after the vice presidential debate joe biden said was the fact the church doesn't pay for contraception. >> a new state joining in a lawsuit against president obama's immigration policy. will it help in the fight?
catholic bishops are firing back against biden for claims made thursday night in the debate. >> let me make it absolutely clear. no religious institution, catholic or otherwise, including catholic social services, georgetown hospital, mercy hospital. none has to refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. that is a fact. that is a fact. >> so, is it a fact or is it malarky? let's ask johnathan morris. father, nice to see you. >> good morning. >> much has been made about those comments and people said there are a number of lawsuits being filed against the obama administration relating to this issue. why would they file lawsuits if
it wasn't true? >> paul ryan made that point before he was interrupted but what we're seeing here is a strategy, a plan, a decision, to go into a debate and say something that everyone who looks at the facts would say, this is not true. and we heard the emphatic statement by the vice president saying this is a fact. this is a fact. in fact, it's not true. >> how will catholics have to pay for it? >> let me read what the bishops of the united states. the u.s. consulate of catholic bishops who measure their words carefully. right after he said that, they say, this is not a fact. this is a response. the hhs mandate contains a narrow, four part exemption for certain religious employers, made final in february and does
not extend to catholic social services, georgetown hospital, mercy hospital or any hospital. the very examples that i gave and said it will not affect them, in fact it does. they go on to say any other religious charity that offers services to all, regardless of the faith of those served. >> they also haven't satisfied the religious colleges or universities. does this stoke the fight? there's already 30 plus lawsuits against this mandate. >> why would you have -- why would the archdiocese of, no why would notre dame university sue the federal government over something that wouldn't affect them? this is not a debate over hhh mandate but a case of what are you willing to say as a politician that isn't true simply to serve your purposes. fact checkers would say sorry,
biden, you're ignorant or telling a lie. >> we'll have the al smith dinner, both sides, calendar dolan, president obama and vice president biden will be there. do you expect controversy? >> cardinal noland has been critiqued by both sides of the political spectrum for his decision to invite this is a long tradition that -- it's inviting them to eat dinner. calendar dolan is very clear that by suing the federal government, he's in disagreement with the president. people say how can you eat with him? what he has said is i will eat or pray with anyone. and i will be very clear of what i stand for. so yeah, some people say you shouldn't be getting a picture with him. what he said is there is a place
in popp -- politics and in society for being kind so each other. >> if more people ate together it might be a less partisan country. >> during the reagan years they disagreed on capitol hill and went out for a beer. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i.c.e. agents suing the homeland security and janet napolitano because they're stopping them from doing their job.
>> because it was the exercise of our discretion, we did not consult with members of the congress and we made sure that this was really clearly within our wheel house. >> several i.c.e. agents claim they're being forced to follow orders. joining us to weigh in, kansas secretary of state chris. >> you say a matter of speaking mississippi represents all 50 states, how so? >> well, mississippi is suing because of the injury to taxpayers. if you take the whole nation and look at the amount of money it costs for illegal immigration in this country due to criminal costs, k through 12 education for kids in illegal households, it's about $100 billion a year
net after you take into account taxes they pay. so mississippi is saying, look, this is a huge burden on our taxpayers. mississippi share is over 25 million according to a study by the state auditor and mississippi is saying if illegal aliens 30 and under are no longer deported, that's a huge cost to taxpayers we wouldn't otherwise have to suffer, so that's why they've joined the lawsuit. their burden is shared by the other 49 states. >> it's a significant burden. some might be scratching their head. why arizona. why not a state around the border? >> one of the interesting things in the last decade we've seen is every state is a border state now. speaking figuratively, it's true. we have illegal immigration in states across the country. it's very easy for illegal aliens to cross into arizona, they're put into minivans and dispersed all over the country.
the southeast, georgia, alabama and mississippi have seen a boon in other industries and influx of inillegal immigration. so mississippi has been hit hard by the tax -- the taxpayers have been hit hard. >> we did reach out to the department of homeland security for a statement. they did not get back to us. they might bring up the obama administration deported a record number of illegals in 2011. does that not boost their case they're doing their job to protect our borders? >> it doesn't help their case legally. one point about the claim, we learned they're cooking the books. they're not actually deporting the record if you count like they have in the past. in order to inflate numbers, they count when they catch someone at the border and turn them around immediately. they count that as deportation, and previously we did not.
the essence of this case is that congress passed a law in 1996 that said certainly illegal aliens must be deported, not may. this order by the obama administration basically says you can't deport them. it breaks federal law. >> chris, representing the i.c.e. agents and the state of mississippi, thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, a update on the supersonic skydive. will it happen today? [ male announcer ] inside the v8 taste lab.
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